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G’day all, welcome back to the Republican Roundup. Sadly, there’s nothing much to report on the republican front for April-May; all been pretty quiet, really….

 

…in David Flint’s dreams, that is!

 

As you would all know, unless you live in an isolation chamber, the republic is back on centre stage.

 

Right at the beginning of the month, George Brandis showed the monarchists’ unpleasant toadying side by implying that because Kevin Rudd did not enter his audience with Her Royal Highness the Queen on his knees with his eyes averted and converse with her whilst lying fully prostrate, he did not show the regent proper respect.

 

One wonders what he thought about the PM saying he wanted Australia to be a republic seemingly five minutes before going in?

 

“Orf with his 'ead!”

 

Then there was the 2020 Summit. Let’s not labour the Summit . We’ve all heard plenty about the Summit by now. The articles are there, you can revisit them yourselves at your leisure. Clearly, though, it was a triumph for our cause. And the ARM’s brilliant submission, written largely by John Pyke, but also with a lot of effort from many other parties, was clearly helpful. More helpful, though, was Professor George Williams’ contribution on the 2nd day, in which he and Greg Barns successfully persuaded the Governance Committee to accept the ARM’s policy position wholesale. Brilliant. And then the ecstatic embrace of the republic by the entire 1000 was a desperately needed morale booster for all republicans. Joy!

 

Mind you, it is somewhat ironic that the unanimity found at the Summit has been itself a cause of contention, such that more dissenting voices may have even helped our cause. We can hardly be blamed for that, though; not our fault we’re popular.

 

Beyond that, we have an article and poem from ex-Senator Rosemary Crowley . There is also a brilliant piece on the democratic necessity of a republic from academic and ARM NSW Branch Secretary Benjamin Jones, as well as all our regular features and more.

 

Also, check out this blog post: I’ve never seen the debate framed more succinctly.

 

Enjoy the read. And don’t forget to keep sending your letters, articles, suggestions and abuse to me at:

 

enewsletter@republic.org.au

 

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Message from the Chair


Mike Keating - ARM Chair

Dear Members,

Well, it's been quite an eventful month: everything from the Australia 2020 Summit, to the appointment of a new Executive Officer at our National Office.

On the Summit, I hope you followed some of the developments in the media and through the media releases and our submission which were forwarded to you separately. Suffice to say that the republic issue enjoyed a good level of support and exposure and this, together with the outcomes of our meeting with PM Rudd's adviser, has given us a good chance to seize the opportunity to progress an Australian republic. The Government is yet to commit to a process or timetable but it is clear that any process will involve extensive consultation with the Australian people over a considerable period. What this means for us is that we must be keenly aware of the need to create 'grass root' activities that help this consultation and involve as many people as possible. To this end your National Committee will be discussing the best means to this end on 26 May. Our volunteer Consultation Group of members has already been asked to contribute their ideas on this and if you have any suggestions please email chair@republic.org.au before 21 May.

Our outgoing Executive Officer, Pamela Hunt, presided over a very challenging period including the establishment of the National Office in Canberra and the development of new ways of doing business for the National Committee. I thank Pamela for her considerable contribution. Carmel McGinley, who has replaced Pamela, is a long term ARM member and brings considerable skills and experience, particularly in marketing, to the appointment. We hope to be able to use all her skills as we move our campaign forward and wish her well in the appointment.

On 17/18 May the fourth annual meeting of the various republican groups will be held in Sydney. RG4 is an informal forum aimed at minimizing the differences and maximizing the agreements between the various formally established republican groups. Terry Fewtrell and I, together with a number of other ARM members, will be attending and we will advise you of outcomes next month.

Annual memberships fall due on 31 May and we are really keen to retain all our current members for the next year. You will receive a separate communication about this but can I ask that you do take the time to renew as soon as possible. As you know your membership fees are our principal form of income and produce funds that keep the wheels rolling. Why not encourage a friend, relative, neighbour or colleague to join – just give them a form or refer them to the website – anyone joining in May automatically has their membership extended to 31 May 09. Thirteen months for the annual fee – what a deal!

What else can you do to help? Look for upcoming opportunities to join in to your local branch activities, consider joining our Consultation Group (email chair@republic.org.au), buy some Republican wine (worth it for the label alone!) or talk to anyone who will listen about the opportunity to become our own country beholden to no-one.

Seize the opportunity.

Mike Keating
National Chair
May 2008

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News

ARM RELEASES


ARM MEDIA RELEASE
April 2008
ARM WELCOMES 2020 SUMMIT RECOMMENDATION:
NOW LET’S GET MOVING!

The Australian Republican Movement today welcomed the recommendation from the 2020 Summit calling for a plebiscite on the issue of whether Australia should become a republic followed by a referendum.

“This recommendation for an Australian Republic accords broadly with the Australian Republican Movement’s roadmap to a republic. The 2020 Summit has endorsed a good process on how to best achieve a republic”, said Major General Mike Keating, Chair of the Australian Republican Movement.

“We note the enthusiastic support for an Australian republic from all the participants in the Summit – not just those who addressed the governance questions. The republic was one of the top-ranked ideas at the Summit. We also note that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd recognised this groundswell of support.

“The ARM therefore urges the government to commit to a process and a timetable. There is no reason why we cannot have a plebiscite on whether Australia wishes to become a republic concurrent with our next federal election in 2010.

“During the lead up to the plebiscite there needs to be broad community engagement and education to ensure that all Australians are fully involved. We need to have a serious and genuine debate during which Australians can have a calm, thorough and constructive discussion about our republic. This consultation should be a unifying national experience – not an exercise in establishing 'winners’ and 'losers’.

“The 2020 Summit has made it clear that the republic is a priority for our nation and the work necessary to achieve this great national goal should begin as soon as possible this year. This work should progress together with the other identified priorities and not be downgraded as being of a lesser priority. The ARM looks forward to working with the community and government to make an Australian republic a reality”, concluded Mike Keating.

21 April 2008

Further comments: Mike Keating (ARM National Chair) 0412 337 137
Peter van Vliet (ARM Media Liaison) 0417 489 226

ARM MEDIA RELEASE

May 2008

 POLL SHOWS REPUBLICAN MAJORITY

 

The Australian Republican Movement today noted the Roy Morgan poll which shows that more Australians support a republic than are against even if they are only offered one republican model.

The poll asked people whether they want a republic with a directly elected president (only) and shows 46% of Australians support this model compared to 42% against.

Even this poll, which sidelines many republicans, shows that republican Australians are in the majority. This follows on from a recent Sun Herald/Taverner poll that shows 69% of Australians want a republic now or when the Queen abdicates,” said Australian Republican Movement Chair, Major General Mike Keating.

“It’s simply wrong to use this poll which is highly skewed towards one particular republican model to suggest support for an Australian republic is declining. Despite nearly a decade of little public debate about the republican question more Australians are in favour than against a republic - even when they are asked about just one model”, Major General Keating said.

The Australia 2020 Summit showed that there is a groundswell of support to make the formal move to full sovereignty under an Australian republic. Similarly, at the recent National Schools’ Constitutional Convention, held in Canberra 29 April to 1 May 2008 and focussed on the republic question, delegates voted in favour of amending the constitution to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic – only the second time in the thirteen years the Convention has been held that delegates have voted for a change to the Constitution on the topic being examined.

“With greater public education about our current constitutional arrangements and consultation about the issues involved in becoming a republic support for the republic will only increase” Mike Keating said.  “Surely in the 21st century we deserve our own constitutional arrangements and the good sense of the Australian people will ensure we achieve the best possible solution”.

May 8 2008

Further comments: Mike Keating (ARM National Chair) 0412 337 137

Peter van Vliet (ARM Media Liaison) 0417 489 226

 

Click here to see the Roy Morgan poll

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ARM SUBMISSION TO THE 2020 SUMMIT

 

Why the 2020 Summit must consider the Republic Issue

 

Your Agenda

The 2020 summit presents a rare opportunity to influence our national leaders on the future direction of Australia .  Although the “Future of Australian Governance” agenda does not expressly mention the republic issue, it contains items such as 'renewed democracy’, 'the rights and responsibilities of citizens’, and 'community engagement’.  Consideration of these issues necessarily requires consideration of the issue of Australia becoming a republic.

 

Renewing Democracy

It would be inconsistent to talk about renewing democracy while not discussing whether an unelected foreign monarch should remain at the apex of our political system.

 

The Rights of Citizens

No Australian can aspire to be the Head of State of Australia under the Australian Constitution.  It is inappropriate and debasing to have a situation where a British child, born into a particular British family, can one day automatically become Australia’s Head of State, yet no Australian child can ever become our nation’s Head of State no matter what he or she achieves in life.  This diminishes our democracy, and ultimately our pride in ourselves as Australians.  It makes a mockery of our claim that ours is an egalitarian nation.

 

Community Engagement

The policy on which the government was elected already involves community engagement about a possible change to a republic – first, full public debate; next, one or more plebiscites; finally, a referendum.  At least as to this issue, no new mechanism of engagement needs to be invented – by simply implementing its mandate the government will be inviting the community to become engaged in the resolution of this important issue.

 

Why We Should Start Now

The 1999 referendum on the republic was not lost because a majority of Australians wanted the British Monarch to remain our Head of State, it was lost because a particular model of republican government was voted against by monarchists and many republicans alike. It is now more than eight years since the referendum, and polling continues to show that the people of Australia are no more in favour of a British Head of State now than they were then.

 

There is no excuse for leaving this reform undone. It is at least as important as many of the other significant issues on the Government’s agenda.  The sooner we start the agreed process of moving to a republic, the sooner an Australian will be able to unequivocally represent us as a nation, and every Australian child will be able to  grow up knowing that he or she can aspire to be that representative one day.

 

Australians should not remain subjects of the British Crown well into the 21st century. We must present to ourselves and the world as a proud and unambiguously independent people.

 

We ask the Summit to call on the government and opposition to work together to make Australia ’s transition to a republic with an Australian Head of State a high bipartisan priority.

 

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OTHER RELEASES

AUSTRALIAN DEMOCRATS MEDIA RELEASE

April 2008

Democrats challenge Rudd on Republic

 

Senator Natasha Stott Despoja

Democrats Senator for South Australia

 

The Australian Democrats have issued a legislative challenge to Prime Minister Kevin Rudd on the republic, saying that the resounding consensus from the 2020 summit demands an immediate legislative response.

 

"In 2001, I introduced the Republic (Consultation of the People) Bill 2001, which would provide a legislative response that captures the renewed momentum for an Australian republic to emerge from the summit," Democrats' Attorney-General's spokesperson, Senator Natasha Stott Despoja said.

 

"The bill provides for a simple two-question plebiscite at the next general election:

 

1. Do you want Australia to become a republic?

2. If most Australians decide they want a republic, do you want the opportunity to choose from different republic models?

 

"My bill would do something that the republican referendum didn't to do ten years ago: ask the Australian people in a straightforward fashion whether or not they want to sever ties with the British monarchy and, if so, allow Australians to have their say in how the republic should be structured.

 

"The plebiscite would be non-binding but would also provide a definitive answer on the republic question.

 

"It is one thing to emerge from the 2020 summit with a set of aspirational goals, but quite another to take legislative steps toward achieving those goals as any elected government should do.

 

"I call on the Rudd Government to support the immediate passage of my bill through the Senate when it next sits in May," Senator Stott Despoja said.

 

Senator Stott Despoja was the Democrats' representative at the 1998 Constitutional Convention. Details of the Republic (Consultation of the People) Bill 2001 are available at: http://wopared.parl.net/bills/index.htm (click on 'Current Bills (by Private Member)' and then select Senator Stott Despoja's name).

 

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Thirteenth National Schools' Constitutional Convention
Republic
is successful

Background

The thirteenth National Schools Constitutional Convention (NSCC) was held at Old Parliament House in Canberra from 29 April to the 1 May 2008.

 

One hundred and twenty two students from government, independent and Catholic schools from across Australia, covering metropolitan and country areas attended. Approximately 45% of students were from government schools, 30% were from independent schools and 25% were from Catholic schools.

 

Convention Focus

The topic for this year's convention was Australian Republic: To be or not to be? Student delegates were provided with pre-reading and presentations about republican systems used elsewhere in the world.  During the presentation sessions students were asked to concentrate on the following issues:

  • The method of election of the Head of State;
  • The method of dismissal of the Head of State;
  • The constitutional powers of the Head of State. For example their role in the appointment (and dismissal) of an Executive or government; and
  • The symbolic functions of the Head of State.

 Students were also asked to:

  • consider which aspects of these other systems might be suitable for Australia
  • analyse what might be some of the problems if aspects of these other republican models were translated to Australia .

Convention Processes Day 2

Delegates were provided with two addresses that provided arguments for and against Australia becoming a republic.  The case for Australia becoming a republic was presented by Senator Kate Lundy and the case against by Senator Cory Bernardi.  Following each thirty minute presentation students were given an opportunity to ask questions to clarify points and to seek further information as well as challenge the views put forward by the speakers.  These sessions provided a context for delegates' first Working Group activity that required them to consider the arguments for and against Australia becoming a republic and report back their views.

 

Prior to the first Working Group and after reflecting on the Senators' perceptions an indicative plebiscite was held on the threshold question: Should Australia become a republic?

 

The responses to the plebiscite question Are you in favour of the Australian Constitution being amended to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic? revealed that 54% (66 votes) of the 122 delegates were in favour of Australia becoming a republic and 45% (55) were not.  (There was one informal response.)

 

The first Working Group required delegates to identify up to six arguments for and against the proposal that Australia should become a republic.  A report back session enabled delegates to briefly report on the most significant arguments expressed by their group for and against Australia becoming a republic.

 

Some of the key arguments for Australia becoming a republic were:

  • the symbolic benefits of controlling our own destiny such as deepening our national pride
  • the monarchy is already seen by many Australians as being obsolete because of Australia ’s multi-racial and multi-cultural society
  • decisions about Australian matters should not be determined by a foreign monarch
  • that it would be a natural progression of our commitment to democracy
  • that asserting our independence from the Crown may increase our standing internationally
  • that we are able to look to other models and select those features that best suit our circumstances
  • all offices in the Australian political system should be open to all Australians.

Some of the key arguments against Australia becoming a republic were:

  • the cost of running a referendum and consequential costs associated with changing the way we are governed
  • the lack of consensus about what republican model to adopt
  • it could de-stabilise what in now a very stable system
  • the presidential role could be brought into conflict with the prime ministerial rolee
  • current checks and balances invested in the Crown and Governor General could be lost
  • we could possibly have a President who has not been popularly elected
  • the possibility of unforeseen factors producing a worse model than we currently have
  • there isn’t a compelling argument for making any change
  • establishing a republic is not a priority issue
  • attempts to bring in a republic have already failed
  • model for a republic is only symbolic and would not generate substantial change.  

Further input to stimulate delegate's thinking in relation to the republican issue was provided through a panel session that discussed existing republican systems from overseas. Clémence Cousin, Trainee Assistant to the Ambassador and Nickolas Cherrier, Cultural Assistant, Embassy of France outlined the republican model adopted in France.  Aidan Cronin, First Secretary, Embassy of Ireland outlined the republican model adopted in Ireland and David Sohier, Labor Attaché/Political Officer, Embassy of the United States discussed the USA republican model. Dr Clement Macintyre who is a Reader in Politics at the University of Adelaide facilitated this session.

 

The second Working Group following the panel discussion of republican systems in France, Ireland and the United States of America required delegates to consider and discuss the strengths and weakness of these models. The group activity was structured around the following tasks:

  • Task 1: (Group activity) - Discuss the overseas models and identify the most attractive and useful features (when thinking of change for Australia ); and any potential weaknesses in these models.
  • Task 2: (Individual activity) - Outline the strengths and weaknesses of these models.

It was noted that:

  • the Irish model is not dissimilar to the minimalist model and if adopted would involves little change to our existing system;
  • the French model is a semi-presidential system that allows direct election and some discrete powers to be held solely by the President; and
  • the American model provides for a stronger presidential role and a much clearer separation of powers between the executive, the legislature and the judiciary.  

A soapbox session followed the second Working Group. This session enabled students to advance arguments in favour and against Australia becoming a republic and to highlight the features of the three overseas republican systems that appealed to them or that they did not like. 

 


Some of the features of the other republican systems that students were attracted to were:

  • the direct election of the President (i.e. the people elect the country's leader)
  • the President being chosen by elected representatives (because this is less costly than a direct election)
  • the President having no executive powers and being above party politics
  • the President being a representative of all the people
  • the President performing important ambassadorial functions and representing the country in various ways (e.g. receiving delegations from other counties, visiting other counties on behalf of the nation and opening or presiding over important national events)
  • the codification of the powers of the President are clearly articulated in all of the overseas models
  • the arrangements in place to remove Presidents who are unable or unwilling to fulfil their role is outlined in the Constitution
  • the checks and balances are provided by the Congress having the power to approve the actions of the President
  • the ability of the President to assume power in extreme/exceptional circumstances
  • the five-year term for the President (which avoids having presidential elections too frequently)
  • ease of transition to the Irish system in particular.  

Some of the features of the other republican systems that students were not attracted to were:

  • the President being both the Head of State and the Head of Government
  • the use of 'electoral colleges' to determine who is elected as President
  • tthe high cost of running a presidential campaign
  • too much power being invested in the President (e.g. the power to declare war).  

Convention Processes Day 3

At the opening session delegates were provided with more contextual information by Professor John Williams and Dr Clement Macintyre who outlined three possible republican models for Australia.

 

The three models presented for discussion were:

  • Model 1: (Minimalist) - A republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President selected and appointed by the Prime Minister.
  • Model 2: (Semi-minimalist) - A republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President appointed by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Commonwealth Parliament.
  • Model 3: (Direct election) - A republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President elected directly by the electors of Australia  

The third Working Group was asked to consider the best republican model for Australia. The Working Groups were required to address the following tasks:

  • Task 1: (Group): Evaluate and assess the merits of the different proposals.
  • Task 2: (Individual): List the strengths and weaknesses of each model presented, then use these to consider any comments that you may wish to make at the Soap Box Session that follows this Working Group.  

The third Working Group was followed by a Soap Box session where students had the opportunity to present the case for or against one of the three models that were discussed.

 

Delegates generally were divided into those for and those opposed to Australia becoming a republic and advocated their positions in the Soapbox session.  The following points were also raised through this session.

 

Arguments presented in favour of Model 1 (Minimalist) included:

  • least complicated to implement as requires the least change
  • the Governor General is subordinate to the Prime Minister
  • no election required and so least costly
  • easy process for dismissing the Governor General
  • provides symbolic change.

Arguments presented against Model 1 included:

  • it is not democratic – the people do not elect the Governor General
  • easy dismissal of the Governor General
  • wasted opportunity to really review the Governor General's roles and powers
  • there is a potential for conflict between the Governor General and the Prime Minister
  • politicians are making the choice, not the people
  • only provides symbolic change.  

Arguments presented in favour of Model 2 (Semi-minimalist) included:

  • it the candidate emerges from consensus
  • empowers the Parliament ahead of the Governor General
  • saves money as no costly election required
  • it is likely to restrict candidates to 'safe' people – those already approved by the majority of the Parliament
  • it is a safe first step on the way to going further later
  • power back to the legislature against the executive.  

Arguments presented against Model 2 included:

  • it gives control to the Parliament over an elected Governor General
  • it is not democratic
  • it is likely to restrict candidates to 'safe' people – those already approved by the majority of the Parliament
  • could set the candidates up for ridicule from the one third of politicians who do not support the nomination
  • politicians are choosing on behalf of the people
  • gives power back to the legislature against the executive.  

Arguments presented in favour of Model 3 (Direct election) included:

  • the people get to choose – it is democratic
  • it here will be popular support for the Governor General
  • it anyone can become a candidate
  • Governor General will clearly represent the nation.  

Arguments presented against Model 3 included:

  • an elected Governor General with a very strong majority could be in conflict with the government
  • it will require careful codification of the Governor General's reserve powers
  • it will require a complex set of changes to the Constitution
  • likely to get either a politically active candidate or glamour candidate
  • as the whole of Australia determines it is unlikely that a candidate from a smaller State/Territory will be elected
  • good people may not to go through an election process and so will not put themselves forward.
  • gives the cost of the election
  • gives the cost of campaigning to be elected may restrict candidates to the very wealthy or those affiliated with political parties or associations with large finances.
  • gives could attract people with a political agenda to push
  • gives it is unclear what a person is actually 'running' for.  

Following the Soapbox session a mock referendum using a preference voting system was conducted to determine the preferred model to be the focus for the referendum vote.  Prior to voting delegates were provided with an explanation of what a referendum is and how a referendum is initiated.

 

The three models used in this plebiscite to determine which model goes to a mock referendum were:

  • Model 1: Head of State appointed and dismissed entirely at the discretion of the Prime Minister
  • Model 2: Head of State appointed and dismissed by two-thirds majority of a joint sitting of the Federal Parliament
  • Model 3: Head of State directly elected by a ballot of all eligible Australian voters.  

The results from this plebiscite were :

  • 22 (18.5%) votes for Model 1
  • 87 (73.1%) votes for Model 2
  • 10 (8.4%) votes for Model 3  

There were 2 informal votes and one of the delegates who was unwell was unable to register a vote.

 

Consequently the following proposition was presented for the referendum.  

  • To alter the Constitution to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President appointed by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Commonwealth Parliament.  

Delegate's perspectives on the proposition to amend the Constitution

Results were tallied for the mock referendum on the proposition to alter the Constitution to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President appointed by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Commonwealth Parliament.

 

The referendum to amend the Constitution in this manner was successful.

 

The detailed results of this mock referendum are outlined on the following tally board designed by the Electoral Education Centre of the Australian Electoral Commission.  One hundred and twenty-one formal votes were caste.

 

Proposal: To alter the Constitution to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President appointed by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Commonwealth Parliament.

 

National Tally Board

Formal YES

Formal NO

Is the majority in favour?

New South Wales

21

8

Yes

 

Yes

Victoria (1 informal)

18

7

Yes

Queensland

14

12

Yes

Western Australia

3

12

No

South Australia

4

8